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Dear Black People, Atheism is NOT a ‘White thing’ | Guest Author

By Camille Mcgregor

I grew up in a Caribbean household. Both of my parents are Jamaican and were born and raised there. I grew up having to attend church every Sunday. As far back as I can recall, I NEVER liked going to church. I had to wake up too early (and I’m not a morning person), I had to put on these gaudy outfits (my style is best described as simple), they did way too much yelling in church (I’m not a fan of being yelled at), I felt like I was always being closely watched and scrutinized even as a child and overall I just never enjoyed the way that being there made me feel.

At the age of eleven I decided that I was actually going to begin to listen to the things that the preacher and other adults in the church were saying rather than passing notes or playing tic tac toe to pass the time. The more I listened the more I realized that I didn’t agree with a lot of what was being said. I also realized that I detested the amount of pressure that was put on members of the church to “get saved” and how there was always a point in which all the “unsaved” people were asked to stand so that every single person in the church could know who they were. Other things such as; the way people in the church were so critical of everyone and everything, how the offering basket was passed around several times during the service and the actual length of the church service, were all things that turned me off.

I felt like I was being guilted or pressured into believing in this god they kept speaking about as opposed to believing on my accord. My mind was made up. I went home after church one Sunday and told my mother that I had absolutely no desire to go back to church and came to the conclusion that I did not believe in god. After yelling at me for about an hour or at least what seemed to be an hour, my mother proceeded to pick up the phone and call up family members and let them know that her 11-year-old daughter was the devil because she did not believe in god.

That summer I met an uncle of mine in Jamaica for the first time. He was a very kind man who was well-spoken and very intelligent. As he took my older sister, my  mother and I around the island he spoke about Jamaica and stated that the major problem in Jamaica was that a church could be found on almost every other block, but there were nowhere near enough schools. He openly talked about not believing in god or religion and as he spoke I was both shocked and comforted by his words. He was the first Caribbean and black adult I had been around that I heard make such statements. It felt great to finally be in the presence of someone who shared  the same position on religion as I did. Black atheists did exist!

Interesting enough, over the years the more I became grounded in my feelings about religion and god and openly stated how I felt, the more I would come across like-minded people. I have worked in a setting where I was surrounded by devout Muslims and Christians and funny enough both groups assumed that because I was black, I was Christian or at least had some type of religious affiliation or belief. When I told my Muslim co-workers where I stood they respected my position, didn’t treat me any differently and never imposed their beliefs on me. However my Jamaican co-worker who is one of those Christians that feel they need to lecture people on their religion everywhere they go, was more than shocked to discover that someone who looks like her and is from the same culture as her does not believe what she believes.

I have definitely met a good amount of white people along the way that are atheist and the ones that I have met tend to be atheist because they  did not grow up in households where religion was force fed to them like it had been for many of their black counterparts. We were pacified with Christianity and many of us ran with it and are still running with it. However, I have met and continue to meet black folks that have begun to question their religious beliefs and have begun to see religion for what it is and have decided that they are, in fact, atheists. I am more than happy to say that one of those black people is my own mother. The same lady that once called me “the devil.”

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The Things People Have Asked and Said to Me On Black Atheists | Facebook

“Why do the memes have white people in them if this is a black atheist page?”

Same reason there’s peanut butter in your cabinet even though it was made by a black man. Also, you’re stupid and you should feel bad.

“Why do you have to post so many things about black people?”

Damned if I do, damned if I don’t. That’s all I’m going to say to that.

“I don’t see color, I’m blind to it. Everything isn’t always about race.”

If that’s how you feel and believe in your heart of hearts, fine. All I can say to that is you should reconsider and educate yourself because saying that is pretty fucked up.

“Can I join this page even though I’m not black?”

Can you read? Did you bother seeing if that question could be answered before contacting the page? No? Damn. What did you learn? Also, there’s nothing to join. You like the page and you can take part if you want or lurk like most people do if you want. If I wanted seclusion of other races, I would have made a group and become like the other secluded atheist pages for black people. I can’t get the message out if I don’t have allies on all fronts. Come on!

“You just hate yourself and you hate white people.”

If you would have said that to my face, I would have most likely punched you in the mouth. You don’t know me and you’re talking through your feelings. There’s no reason whatsoever to think that bullshit when you visit Black Atheists. Stop it.

“Can I see what you look like?”

Yes. When I’m ready, I’ll eventually show myself. I usually do once every few months.

“Can you make shirts and mugs and stickers?”

I did. No one was interested after I put in all that work.

“Why does this page come with so much drama?”

Are you awake? I have to ask because anyone that’s awake wouldn’t ask that question. Do you see the name of the Facebook page? It’s self-explanatory.

“Why are there a lot more white people on here than black people?”

Why do you wear pyjamas to bed when you can sleep naked? Is my response.

“I want to be your token white friend.”

Are you – excuse my French – are you fucking kidding me? You have to be. You just gotta be.

“This is nothing but a hate page”

And people lash out at things they don’t understand.

“Why do you let white people on here? Why can’t they just get their own shit!?”

You don’t have to stay, you can leave. Make your own goddamn page and then meticulously boot people who don’t fit your melanin scale out of it. Problem solved. Hope it doesn’t get big because when will you find the time?!

“You should seriously stop posting stuff like this, it’s offensive. We get it, you’re black.”

There’s something I get, you’re whack. It’s my page, I do what the fuck I want on it. There are multiple ways in giving feedback and guess what? That isn’t one of them.


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Slavery in the Bible | Scriptures Christians Either Love, Hate, or Ignore

Time for Bible Study, where you’ll do some actual studying. This is a non-cherry-picking post, so hold on to your undies because they’re about to ride up your crotch!
**This is for the people who proclaim that there isn’t any slavery in the bible no matter what Testament it’s in. I’m looking at you, black people.

Deuteronomy 21:10 – 14

When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive, 11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, 12 and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. 13 And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14 But if you no longer delight in her, you shall let her go where she wants. But you shall not sell her for money, nor shall you treat her as a slave, since you have humiliated her.

How exactly is that NOT slavery?

Colossians 3:22

laves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

W-what is that? Yep, slavery.

Ephesians 6:5

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

Exodus 21: 7 – 8

If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her.


Exodus 21:20-21

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

Property, slave, punish all of these words can describe slavery in the bible in numerous ways!

Leviticus 25:44 – 46

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

You have got to love the classics! Leviticus never fails!

Luke 12:47-48

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.  Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.

1 Peter 2:18

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

I’ve already flown over the threshold: There’s more scriptures about slavery than there is about gays at this point. Hell, I met that point long before now.

1 Timothy 6:1

All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.

Titus 2:9

Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.

I don’t know about you, but that looks like to me that there’s slavery in the bible. Tell me I’m “taking it out of context” all you want. There IS NO taking slavery out of context.

Black people, stop making excuses for this bullshit! You don’t need religioin! You know bullshit when you see it. Stop letting these idiots bullshit the bullshitters. I wish y’all knew better than a fucking newborn.

Here’s one for the trolls:

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion… – (Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli 1797.  Unanimously ratified by the U.S. Senate and signed by President John Adams)

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My Response to ‘Is my husband raping me?’

Misogynists, sexists, bigots, and mouth-breathers like this one seem to have a big moral disagreement here. More so on their part due to being comfortable with being willfully ignorant.

It’s the sexist, ableist, bigoted fundamentalist “Christians” that society needs to worry about. Here’s my response to a forty-year-old hypocrite. Enjoy.

Let’s just get to the gist of this blog post: Rape is rape. Your bible may tell you otherwise, but there’s a reason why people go to jail for following such atrocities that are found in a book from religions taken from other religions. Christianity is a bastard of other religions yet it’s the one true religion. It’s used to excuse all kinds of terrible things in today’s society. Rape is just one of them.

When the lady that left you an anonymous question about her marital problems, you should have left it alone. From the looks of it, you’re not a marriage counselor. You’re not equipped to discuss what happened in their marriage. You don’t have the credentials or a license. The things you said were immoral, wrong, and disgusting. You’re disgusting.

You broke down her question in multiple parts. I shall do the same with your responses.

1. Was the husband wrong for having sex with his wife while she was pregnant and in pain?

You told her:

It depends. Had he just had sex with her in the last few days? Then perhaps he should have put her need to not experience more pain and discomfort ahead of his need for sex. But if she had been in pain for weeks or a month and he finally came to her and said “Babe I need this, I promise I will make it quick” – then she should have put his need for sex above her need to not experience additional discomfort.

Sometimes though a woman cannot have vaginal intercourse for medical reasons beyond just discomfort. For instance most doctors advice women not to have vaginal intercourse for 6 to 8 weeks after giving birth. If a man were to try and have vaginal sex with his wife during this period it would be highly painful for her and it might cause complications with her healing process. But that does not mean a woman cannot meet her husband’s sexual needs in other ways during this time. God has given her the ability to manually or orally satisfy her husband in order to meet his sexual needs. Christian wives ought to do this for their husband’s during this post birth period, and for that matter any other period when they may not be able to physically have sexual intercourse with their husbands.

My Response:

You’re sick. No, It DOES NOT depend on anything. If a woman says no, that’s what the she means! As a woman who just gave birth 7 months ago, sex was the last thing on my mind. Even the weeks after. There’s this thing called science. What it tells us about the human body, the mind, and the libido is this:

Estrogen levels go down after delivery. That can cause a shortage of vaginal lubrication, which can make sex painful or less pleasurable. Hormonal changes after childbirth might also be related to postpartum depression, which can stymie sexual desire. These feelings of sadness, anxiety, irritability, or just having the blues may last for a few weeks or even months. [Source]

There are plenty of other sources, too. Maybe you should have done a quick google search instead of using your book of lies, but that’s too much like right. Moving on from that, if a woman does not want to give her husband a handjob, blowjob when intercourse is out of the question she doesn’t have to. That’s just common fucking sense. You say you’re all about feminism, but you’re not. You’re the complete opposite. I get it. You want to follow the bible down to the letter, but you’re divorced. Remember when I called you a hypocrite? Here’s why:

Matthew 19:9
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.

Malachi 2:16 
For the man who does not love his wife but divorces her, says the Lord, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the Lord of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11
To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.

Let me guess, you divorced her so that makes it okay? Nope. Wrong. Incorrect. Do not stop, do not pass go. Go straight to jail. You’re a hypocrite. Simple.

2. Was the husband wrong for having sex with his wife even when he knew she did not want to?

Your response:

As I have said before, I have never advocated for a Christian husband to force himself upon his wife. But contrary to what feminists and other marital rape accusers say – there is difference between a husband convincing his wife to let him have sex with her and him physically forcing himself upon her.

Rather than hash this out again here – I have answered this entire issue from a Biblical perspective in the my article “Is a husband selfish for having sex with his wife when she is not in the mood”. But the short answer is no he is not being selfish for having sex with his wife simply because she is not in the mood. The Bible is clear that for the purposes of sex “The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.” – I Corinthians 7:4.

My response:

YES! He was wrong. There is no difference; force is force! There are laws that protect her from that. Making someone do something they don’t want to do is force! I don’t care if they’re married! “But the bible told me so!” See my response to the first question. Also see separation of church and state, too. Your “bible” may be clear on what a woman can and cannot do with her sex life – even after being translated all to shit – but the laws of the state do not go by your rules, they go by the states. You may have forgotten this, but this country is not founded on religious beliefs or values.

You’re trying to sugarcoat and twist things to make it fit your twist agenda and it’s disgusting. There needs to be consent or have you forgotten that? Did you even know? Probably not.

3. Was her husband treating her like a whore?

Your response:

“He treats me like a whore”, “He treats me like a prostitute” and “He only wants me for sex”. These are three common statements that we hear from wives (Christian and otherwise) about their husbands frequently online and elsewhere. What wives who make these statements are actually saying is “He does not romance me anymore, he does not talk to me enough and spend time with me outside the bedroom enough”. When wives express these sentiments it comes from a place of them feeling like their husbands have not earned the right to have sex with them. Only when their husband makes them feel the way he once did, then and only then will they be able to have sex with him without feeling like “a whore”, “a prostitute” or “just plain used”.

A husband should know his wife, and part of knowing one’s wife is talking to one’s wife. I wrote an entire post on this subject entitled “10 ways to know your wife”. So if this woman’s husband was failing to talk to his wife(outside of when he wanted sex), but rather on a daily basis – getting to know what was going on in her life a daily basis – then he was in the wrong. Also as part “knowing one’s wife” he would know if he listened to her that she needs to be touched on a regular basis, and not only in a sexual manner when he wants sex.

But where this point of “I feel like my husband’s whore” falls woefully short is two wrongs never make a right. Her husband doing the right thing – talking to her on a daily basis and knowing her better is NOT a prerequisite to sex in marriage. She seems to have been very grudgingly yielding to her husband, and while a Christian husband can accept grudgingly yielded sex – it does not make it right on the part of the wife to have such a horrible attitude.

My Response:

You’re serious, aren’t you? Your “logic” is frightening. When a man cheats on their wife it is somehow translated to the wife having a sense of entitlement, arrogance, and an expanded ego? Did you think that through before it left your fingers? I already know the answer to that. You make women look like the bad guys when there IS no bad guy here. The wife has a horrible attitude? Who the fuck raised you, Jim Jones?

Enthusiastic consent doesn’t only apply when we are teaching our kids about rape culture. Enthusiastic consent should be a given every, single time you have sex. And if you don’t feel like having it — men or women alike — you shouldn’t be guilted into it on the premise that it makes you a better partner. It has nothing to do with satan, god, or the bible. These are human lives that have feelings. Women are NOT robots. We ARE NOT your sex toys. We will NOT roam around in this sexist world believing that shit – for those who are awake anyway.

Question: Where in the fuck did you get quotes from satan from? Did you type out that nonsensical tripe yourself? I’m only asking because you had it quoted with no source:

If he makes you feel loved, then by all means give your body to him, enjoy great sex based on your passion for one another. You don’t need to be married, follow you feelings wherever they lead you. The minute he stops making you feel loved, dump him and move on to another new romance. This does not make you a whore. Whores have sex with men just to have sex, you are having sex based on your feelings of love and that is noble and right. But remember my golden rule – don’t do anything you don’t feel like doing.

Remember what I told you when you were single. That applies when you are married too. If he makes you feel loved and is passionate and romantic and you feel like having sex with him, then by all means have sex. But if he does not make you feel loved, or if the passion fades stop having sex with him and make it clear he has to make you feel loved and romanced like he did when you first together.  If a long time goes by and the feelings of love don’t come back, dump him (divorce him) and move on to the next guy. Even if your husband does make you feel loved, you never should have sex with him if you don’t feel like it, never forget my golden rule – don’t do anything you don’t feel like doing.

Remember you were wondering if you were being a whore by sleeping with men when you were single? Well you know what a real whore is? It is a wife who has sex with her husband when she does not feel like it, and especially when she does not feel loved or romanced.

This is how I know you’ve gone off the deep end:

These two lies of Satan play out in almost every TV show and drama movie that we see today. I pray to God that the Christian women of this world will repent of believing these lies of Satan. A woman who has sex with her husband, even when she does not feel like it, even when her husband is not doing everything he should, is doingEXACTLY what God wants her to do. She is living according to the Spirit, and not according to the flesh.

Women are being murdered for less. I hope there isn’t anyone reading your articles and go off and rape their wife or girlfriend. I would say that blood is on your hands, but that’d be false. It’s on the bastard who wrote the bible’s hands. No, it wasn’t Jesus or god. Well fuck, they’re the same person, you get it.

4. Was her husband wrong for getting her drunk for sex?

Your response:

This is an easy answer – yes he was wrong. It is never right to encourage drunkenness in someone as that is sinful. Does this wrong rise to the level of allowing for divorce? No. In this case she needed to exercise restraint and not engage in getting drunk.

My Response:

Jesus hung around with thieves, liars, and prostitutes, you know. I don’t see you quoting those scriptures or looking up the actual history of Cesare Borgia. I was almost with you till the end. I don’t know what fun house you’re in, but it must be lavish if it has internet access. I do like how you add your own rules to a set a rules that don’t need revising. Anyone who’s anyone that has read the bible knows that women are property and should follow all the rules that the husband has laid out for her.

But hey, guess what? Marriage predates religion, just so we’re clear. It definitely predates Christianity, in case you didn’t know. I have a feeling you did though, you just have the incessant need to grasp as straws that aren’t even there.

As far as the rest of your nonsense goes, you were simply repeating yourself. You’re sick, you’re disgusting, you’re a misogynist and you need to be locked away with the rest of the loonies from Looney Town.

Maybe you read this far, maybe you haven’t, but I’d love for you to take a gander at THIS blog post. It’ll probably make you angry. I’m hoping it does.

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Pastor Dies From Praying For Protection From The Very Same Snake That Bit Him

On this episode of ‘What the Fuck Do Religious People Be Thinking?!‘, we take you to Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name Church in Kentucky, Middlesboro. Damn that was a mouth full.

Pastor Jamie Coots died of a snake bite. He was bitten by a rattlesnake Saturday during one of his church services. Death. Snakes. Church. Pastors. All words that have been in the same sentence quite a lot these past few years.

Coots was a former bus driver and a star of ‘Snake Salvation’, a reality television show on National Geographic. Coots was handling a rattlesnake to demonstrate his unending faith to his lord and Christ. He was bitten soon after.

He believed he was commanded to handle snakes, and if in danger or bitten he was forbidden to seek medical attention. Instead, it was required that he pray for healing.  The family’s strong belief in Pentecostalism, arguably the most important mass religious movement of the twentieth century, is thought to protect them from venomous snakes.

Seriously, guy? All those other pastors dying from this very same thing must have flew under your radar. Or this is one of those “he wasn’t a true man of faith which is why those other guys got a bit and died” moments.

He had one of the rattlers in his hand, he came over and he was standing beside me. It was plain view, it just turned its head and bit him in the back of the hand … within a second,Cody Winn; Preacher

Emergency responders were called to the scene, but Coots already went home. When the emergency responders arrived at his home Coots had passed away from his snakebite after refusing care.

Coots was carrying on his family’s 100-year tradition “in the name f god”. Coots had allegedly been bit eight times before and he assumed that he would recover like last time. Coots lost a finger in the past from a serpent bite after it rotted and fell off.

Coots death, of course, didn’t change their faith or reasoning. They will continue to handle snakes in his honor; in god’s honor. You’d think after a woman died after a snake biting them at their church in the past that they’d hang up their dangerous practice. Nope.

I guess faith as tiny as a mustard seed means shit to reality.